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For the same reason that you are convinced we are all gypos :blass Meaning no reason :blass


Only uneducated and ignorant people can say that all bulgarians are gypsies or that bosnia is a made up country or that bosnians are ex-serbs...


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Well it's a micky mouse state, even you admit it. Lawlessness, unemployment, religios-ethnic war put on-hold etc. You are ready to split in at least 3 parts, any second since 1996. I think it's only you in Sarajevo who have the utopic idea of unity :loser2 Based on all the firends I have from there that's my conclusion. I know people from Mostar, Siroki Brijeg, Tuzla and Banja Luka, besides Sarajevo. It'sa puzzel for me what holds your territory(not even gonna bother calling it a country) togheter.


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Well it's a micky mouse state, even you admit it. Lawlessness, unemployment, religios-ethnic war put on-hold etc. You are ready to split in at least 3 parts, any second since 1996. I think it's only you in Sarajevo who have the utopic idea of unity :loser2 Based on all the firends I have from there that's my conclusion. I know people from Mostar, Siroki Brijeg, Tuzla and Banja Luka, besides Sarajevo. It'sa puzzel for me what holds your territory(not even gonna bother calling it a country) togheter.


In 1992 the 4th strongest army of Europe attacked the unarmed people in Bosnia. Their goal was to defeat Sarajevo in 3 days and to have all of Bosnia and Herzegovina under control in less than two weeks. I will just mention that their plan failed and since then it is only a dream that the territory of BiH will be split into pieces or whatever else they dream of.


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Why not? As I said I'm curious, nothing more :wink: Just wonna hear your story, but it looks you are too lazy or too ashamed to tell us :8)


There is no reason for me to be ashamed of who I am. As a matter of fact, I'm very proud of my heritage.

I am not sure if you are aware of this, but there are many other websites on the internet besides this one. I don't know if you heard of google or bing? Perhaps they could be a little useful in finding the answers to your concerns.


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The second site's ability to find usefull infomraiton is debatable :smt003


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The second site's ability to find usefull infomraiton is debatable :smt003


Well, that's a whole separate topic :lol:


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Всички тотално сте изпращяли, а историческите ви познания са доста под нивото на Зигфрид и tankistabg, на които се подигравахте :ohmygod
страхотно е да се опитваш да пребориш с "факти" от националната си митолгия представители на друга нация :ohmygod българите измислили кирилицата, Аспарух бил християнин :ohmygod има си съответните теми във форуми като стормфронт, бгнс и т.н.

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Yes not too much before that. The first written documents that talk about Bosnia as a territory comes from the IX century. We were mostly controlled by Hungaria. Starting in the XII century we start to govern ourselves, first as a banate then as a kingdom. We also had our own script and church. But that's not too much...

Must be this one :smt017 Thank you :smt023
Will you tell me which of ancient tribes is nearest to you ethnically - some of tracian tribes, slavs, romans, some of german tribes, turks, ugro-fin tribe group - I really have no idea :smt017 , that's why I'm asking.
Here, at the Balkans, I feel like the officials make all posible to know less about any neighbour than about problems of Uganda for example :ohmygod

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Всички тотално сте изпращяли, а историческите ви познания са доста под нивото на Зигфрид и tankistabg, на които се подигравахте :ohmygod
страхотно е да се опитваш да пребориш с "факти" от националната си митолгия с представители на друга нация :ohmygod българите измислили кирилицата, Аспарух бил християнин :ohmygod има си съответните теми във форуми като стормфронт, бгнс и т.н.


Ако визираш мен, нищо не се опитвам, просто питам, защото не знам.

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Is there a single artefact or historic document to mention such thing as ''bosnian nation''? It's was austro-hungarian "ïnvention" institutionalised and promoted by Tito as a "muslims by nation" after WW2! Get over it!

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The Austro-Hungarian Empire officially introduced the term Bosniaks for Slavic Muslims who lived in Bosnia; prior to it, it was used to describe a resident of Bosnia regardless of nationality or religion. Their official census varied over the years in how it grouped communities, whether by ethnicity, language or religion. After World War I, the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes was formed and it recognized only those three ethnicities in its censuses.


The concept of a "state of nationalities" originated from Stalin's policy toward nationalities in the former Soviet Union. Based on this policy. states like the Soviet Union or the former Yugoslavia arranged the different groups within the population according to a categorical hierarchy that guaranteed them national rights. Yugoslavia was a multinational federation with a tripartide system of national rights:

Construction of Ethnic Belonging in the Context of Former Yugoslavia—the Case of a Migrant from Bosnia-Herzegovina

http://www.qualitative-research.net/index.php/fqs/article/view/1374/2868#g2

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Muslims (Serbo-Croatian and Macedonian: Muslimani, Serbian Cyrillic: Муслимани) was a term used in Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia as an official designation of nationality of Slavic Muslims. They were one of the constitutive groups of Bosnia and Herzegovina. In connection to the national rebirth and awakening in Yugoslavia during the 1990s they are now officially recognized as Bosniaks in Bosnia and Herzegovina. A handful of people across Former Yugoslavia still consider themselves to be Muslims by nationality, while other self-identify as Bosniaks, and to a lesser extent Gorani, Torbeš (Macedonian: Торбеш) or Pomaks. The two latter names are also used by Slavic Muslims living outside of the former Yugoslavia, mainly in Bulgaria where they form a part of the wider Slavic demographic majority, and also where they live as minorities in non-Slavic countries such as Greece and Turkey.

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Is there a single artefact or historic document to mention such thing as ''bosnian nation''?

Povelja Kulina bana (1189.) http://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Povelja_Kulina_bana
The Charter (muniment,document) of Kulin Ban of Bosnia was written 29th August 1189th year old Bosnian national language and Bosnian Bosnian Cyrillic script. This document is not only the oldest ever found preserved Bosnian state document, but the Charter (muniment,document) of Kulin Ban of Bosnia and oldest State document in all the South Slav peoples and states.
Its importance is reflected in two areas: the history of the Bosnian state and the history of the Bosnian language. As to the first aspect, it can be said that the Charter of Kulin birth certificate of Bosnian statehood. From its contents can be clearly seen by the fact that Bosnia is already in the 12th Century had ordered the state and the institution of a sovereign ruler, but on whether there is evidence from the 10th century. (google translate)


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Yes not too much before that. The first written documents that talk about Bosnia as a territory comes from the IX century. We were mostly controlled by Hungaria. Starting in the XII century we start to govern ourselves, first as a banate then as a kingdom. We also had our own script and church. But that's not too much...

Must be this one :smt017 Thank you :smt023
Will you tell me which of ancient tribes is nearest to you ethnically - some of tracian tribes, slavs, romans, some of german tribes, turks, ugro-fin tribe group - I really have no idea :smt017 , that's why I'm asking.
Here, at the Balkans, I feel like the officials make all posible to know less about any neighbour than about problems of Uganda for example :ohmygod


To be honest with you, my knowledge of history doesn't go into details like that :lol: ..but as far as I know, Ilirs were the first ones here and then Avars and Slavs started to populate this area.

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Is there a single artefact or historic document to mention such thing as ''bosnian nation''? It's was austro-hungarian "ïnvention" institutionalised and promoted by Tito as a "muslims by nation" after WW2! Get over it!


First of all, there is no such thing as "muslim by nation." We are bosniaNs by nationality. The term bosniaK refers to a bosniaN who is muslim.

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This is a document from about 950 where the emperor talks about the countries which are under his control, and he mentions "horion bosona" which means country bosna.


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Is there a single artefact or historic document to mention such thing as ''bosnian nation''?

Povelja Kulina bana (1189.) http://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Povelja_Kulina_bana
The Charter (muniment,document) of Kulin Ban of Bosnia was written 29th August 1189th year old Bosnian national language and Bosnian Bosnian Cyrillic script. This document is not only the oldest ever found preserved Bosnian state document, but the Charter (muniment,document) of Kulin Ban of Bosnia and oldest State document in all the South Slav peoples and states.
Its importance is reflected in two areas: the history of the Bosnian state and the history of the Bosnian language. As to the first aspect, it can be said that the Charter of Kulin birth certificate of Bosnian statehood. From its contents can be clearly seen by the fact that Bosnia is already in the 12th Century had ordered the state and the institution of a sovereign ruler, but on whether there is evidence from the 10th century. (google translate)

The origin of this "Bosančica" is highly disputed and i cant tell that your version has wider acceptance by historians than those of serbs or croats. :smt002

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De Administrando Imperio

This is a document from about 950 where the emperor talks about the countries which are under his control, and he mentions "horion bosona" which means country bosna.


Oh YES! And Alexander The Great was proud compatriot of Tose Proeski :bii_chorbata

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The origin of this "Bosančica" is highly disputed and i cant tell that your version has wider acceptance by historians than those of serbs or croats. :smt002


You have the right to believe in the guinea-bissau version if you want, I could care less :bii_chorbata


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The origin of this "Bosančica" is highly disputed and i cant tell that your version has wider acceptance by historians than those of serbs or croats. :smt002


You have the right to believe in the guinea-bissau version if you want, I could care less :bii_chorbata

Good one :bigok


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The best one :bigok

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The origin of this "Bosančica" is highly disputed and i cant tell that your version has wider acceptance by historians than those of serbs or croats. :smt002


You have the right to believe in the guinea-bissau version if you want, I could care less :bii_chorbata


The question is who believes in your version. I bet even in half of your own so-called state they don't :smt005

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All FYROM "History" is based on guinea-bissau version too :bii_chorbata

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The origin of this "Bosančica" is highly disputed and i cant tell that your version has wider acceptance by historians than those of serbs or croats. :smt002


You have the right to believe in the guinea-bissau version if you want, I could care less :bii_chorbata


The question is who believes in your version. I bet even in half of your own so-called state they don't :smt005


They live in disneyland where, one day, they will be reunited with their mother croatia or mother serbia (if it still exists then).


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SARAJEVO, last for tonight :loser2
In other words, those people, which awoken bosnians in a beautufull day of 12th century, what nationality did they have till this moment :lol:

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SARAJEVO, last for tonight :loser2
In other words, those people, which awoken bosnians in a beautufull day of 12th century, what nationality did they have till this moment :lol:


Most of them were bogomils.


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OK.
Good night, SARAJEVO :bigok

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SARAJEVO, last for tonight :loser2
In other words, those people, which awoken bosnians in a beautufull day of 12th century, what nationality did they have till this moment :lol:


Most of them were bogomils.


End of story! :smt005 :smt005

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Всички тотално сте изпращяли, а историческите ви познания са доста под нивото на Зигфрид и tankistabg, на които се подигравахте :ohmygod
страхотно е да се опитваш да пребориш с "факти" от националната си митолгия представители на друга нация :ohmygod българите измислили кирилицата, Аспарух бил християнин :ohmygod има си съответните теми във форуми като стормфронт, бгнс и т.н.

Радвам се, че има хора с много по-големи исторически познания от мен. Аз нямам претенции за гений. За Аспарух и Кубрат има много повече доказателства, че са били християни, отколкото че се вярвали в Тангра или квото и да е било друго божество. И ако обичаш не ме слагай в една графа с идиоти като Зигфрид.

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I'm not one of the most active users in this forum, but reading this topic makes me feel really ashamed. This is supposed to be a football topic and useful conversation with no offense from both sides. So far most of the postings are stupid historic abuses from people that do not know anything about history. Many of so called "lads" writing bullshit about Bosnia were just children and cannot even imagine what these people and their families came through during Jugo wars. I was at the stadium and didn't see the poster about Mladic but it is real shame for Levski and our supporters. It's a pity to mix normal football fan chanting with genocide and tragedies like ones in Srebrenica and I hope that it'll be the last time things like this happen at our stadium. Leave the rivalry only on the field! I know that in both sides there are idiots that provoke each other with those kind of posters and chants but reasonable people must have respect for their opponents. After all this is just a football game, not a policy and shit like that.

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I'm not one of the most active users in this forum, but reading this topic makes me feel really ashamed. This is supposed to be a football topic and useful conversation with no offense from both sides. So far most of the postings are stupid historic abuses from people that do not know anything about history. Many of so called "lads" writing bullshit about Bosnia were just children and cannot even imagine what these people and their families came through during Jugo wars. I was at the stadium and didn't see the poster about Mladic but it is real shame for Levski and our supporters. It's a pity to mix normal football fan chanting with genocide and tragedies like ones in Srebrenica and I hope that it'll be the last time things like this happen at our stadium. Leave the rivalry only on the field! I know that in both sides there are idiots that provoke each other with those kind of posters and chants but reasonable people must have respect for their opponents. After all this is just a football game, not a policy and shit like that.

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SARAJEVO, last for tonight :loser2
In other words, those people, which awoken bosnians in a beautufull day of 12th century, what nationality did they have till this moment :lol:


Most of them were bogomils.


Since when bogomil is nationality?
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Football topic this time.


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We go to Sarajevo and humiliate them with 1:1 :smt035

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